Afternoon refers to the time after Noon and before the Night. Others will say this doesn’t make sense as noon can be neither am (before noon) or pm (after noon)! I am appaled at the rubbish I have read on this subject. 12am is the exact moment the 12th hour of the morning finishes (am), and similarly for pm. @sheldon Li Sunday NIGHT runs from 6pm (Sunday evening) to 6am (Monday morning). Worldwide adoption of 00.00 and 24.00 would help enormously! Since we do not notate time backwards, 12 midnight is not 12 am, since it would then require 1 am to become 11 am and so on. Dusk corresponds to dawn, and refers to the event of the sun setting. There is some debate about this so it’s better to be clear from the outset, for example: I should be home by midnight Saturday night.The last bus arrives just before midnight on Friday nights. P.M. is after noon (12 noon and later, up to midnight where it switches back to A.M.) I personally will not wear the digital watch, because it gives me the false feeling that it is exact. The 12-hour system divides the 24 hours of a day into two periods lasting 12 hours each. GEOFF BERRIMAN may be technically correct (which doesn't mean I'm agreeing with his strange theory), but in the real world he is wrong. Where I live, it is generally accepted as noon. My bank sent me a message this week asking me to pay in funds by 12pm on 12th June to avoid charges. in hour/minute language and ll.59.59pm in hour/minute/second language. Midnight is 12 midnight and mid-day is 12 noon. Noon and midday may not be on the same time. "a.m." means "ante meridiem" which means "before midday" and p.m. means "post meridiem", which means "after midday". It gives the correct time twice a day. NEITHER, in the strict meaning of the words. However, I have always held the fact that 12pm is noon. Noon and midnight are for a infinitely small period of time as is any number on the clock represents. Thanks. And the same goes for the written time. Good Afternoon. The digital world we live in is trying to precise and yet it is not. (Try booking some meetings, lunches etc at 12.00am and see the result.). My Opinion: 12 can be neither am nor pm. MIDNIGHT is 12pm. Is it the night between Monday and Tuesday or between Tuesday and Wednesday ? As we normally count hours numerically adding 1 to the previous hour and as in a normal sequence 12 comes after 11 if it is then 11pm midnight must be 12pm and at the same time 00.00am so 1 minute past midnight is 00.01am the same applies to noon 11am being followed by 12am and at the same time being 00.00pm. 12am = midnight. They simply mean 12 o'clock during the day or night. Midnight is in the MIDdle of the NIGHT, not in the MIDdle of the DAY! Do we believe that there is actually a time known as 00:00:00. It is never what the clock says it is. In hour/minute language and ll.59.59pm in hour/minute/second language. 12am is better known as 12 midnight. As has been demonstrated by many of the previous answers, and because it is incorrect, the use of 12 am and 12 pm is inherently confusing. That’s a very good point! An example is the only clock that is correct is the one that is stopped. The confusion has started since the invention of the digital clock. If midnight is 12am ('ANTE'= before 'MERIDIEM'= noon), then it follows logically that 1 hour later should be 11am, 2 hours later should be 10am, etc. The two minutes between were ours to use as we liked. In this system, common in scientific contexts, 12:00 means noon (and 24:00 means midnight). Because of the potential for confusion, it is advisable to use 12 noon and 12 midnight.” (“AM”, 5th Edition, 2011) Canadian Press Stylebook “Write noon or midnight, not 12 noon or 12 midnight.” (11th Edition, 1999, p. 288) However, it is widely accepted that noon is considered p.m. and midnight is considered a.m. informally. By the time we look at a clock that tells us it is noon, it is past noon and the same at midnight. Good Evening. No we don't. ante = before, meridiem = noon (in the accusative case), therefore AM does literally mean "before ... the hours backwards from midnight (12am) to noon (0AM = 0PM), and then back up again to 12PM. Well, I think of it this way: Midnight is an exact moment, the border, between the period of time after noon of the day ending (pm) and the period time before noon of the day beginning (am). I called them and they have waived the charge, but still insist that 12pm is midday. 1101 is not noon. Working on the 24-hour clock meant that there was no difficulty with midday1200 hours - but the Air Force could not countenance 0000 hours for midnight. In English, do we use the 12-hour clock or 24-hour clock ? It’s clearer to say something like : His plane leaves at 8:15 tomorrow morning. WHEN I was in the RAF 50 years ago this problem was solved by defining it out of existence. What about midnight? Morning should be somewhere between about 6am to 12pm bro. https://www.englishclub.com/vocabulary/time-day-night.htm. It’s almost 10 o’clock.I should arrive at about / around 7:30. This applies to both 12s. It is simply noon. Time is a fluid, always changing value. Therefor 12am is midday and pm would start straight after. The dictionary definition of afternoon is simply the hours between noon and evening. Jules Smibert is correct. Let’s look at a few examples: I usually have breakfast at about 6:30 – we have breakfast in the morning.We’ve got a team meeting at 2:15 – a team meeting implies a work situation, people do work shifts but we can be reasonably sure it’s in the afternoon.The film starts at 7:45 – films are usually shown in the afternoons and evenings so it’s 7:45pm.Sometimes, such sentences can be unclear : His plane leaves at 8:15.Is that am or pm ? QED. We only call it 12 o'clock because of the number on the dial. Midnight is neither 12pm or 12am, there is no such time. 12am and 12pm are both mathmatically and logically inadmissable. There is no reason to prefere one over the other except a desite for standardisation. AM = Ante meridiem: Before noon 2. In reality midnight has no sooner been reached than it has been passed. Consequently to use am/pm to refer to midday, (12noon) is simply wrong (and similarly midnight). 12.00.01 is 12.00.01am Thank you but I am more confused after reading this article because I still don’t know how to understand “the midnight on sunday”. Avoid using 12 a.m. or 12 p.m. Say noon when you mean middle of the day. Is there an authority on the subject? The very fact that both of these positions can be defended is reason to never use either. So “midnight on Sunday” is at the end of Sunday, not at the start. In general conversations and situations in English, we use the 12-hour clock format. Yes... Do as GMT suggests: Use 'noon' and 'midnight' or 12:00 and 23:59 & 00:01 instead of 12am/pm. And though this concept is more obvious for noon, the same is true for midnight. It is written as 12 p.m. (for post meridian) or 12 pm. Well, that depends on which day midnight is a part of, the one that is ending or the one that is beginning (more on this below). I would refer you all to http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/645370-12-am-and-12-pm/. At 12 noon, the Sun is at its highest point in the sky and directly over the meridian. Es ist … The use of noon and midnight informally or 12 noon and 12 midnight or 1200 and 2400 should become practice. Use 12 midday or 12 midnight for clarity. Midnight needing to be qualified further as the end or beginning of a particular day. Further to my previous comments, I am DISGUSTED at the ignorant statements that midnight has equal claims on AM and PM - HOW CAN MIDNIGHT BE PM OF A DAY TO WHICH IT DOES NOT BELONG - it MUST be 12am as it clearly belongs to a NEW day - the fact that the hour changes from ll.59pm (one minute before midnight) to 12.00 proves that the new hour must be either still in the same day or the new day - it MUST be the first hour of the new day, the previous day finishing at 11.59pm. My opinion: Midnight is neither 12pm nor 12am. 12 PM ( 12:00 ) Greenwich Mean Time to Your Local Time and Worldwide Time Conversions Fraction of a second do count logically 12 midnight is 12pm 12 noon and 12 midnight are the only true values. Formal documents (contracts, agreements…) may well clarify by saying something like 23:59 or 00:01 to get around this question. What a load of nonsense! https://www.englishclub.com/vocabulary/time-day-night.htm. Good morning 12 o’clock: we all know there are two a day – one at lunchtime and one at night – but which one is 12am and which one is 12pm? In practice, that means counting the hours from 1 to 12 in the morning and in the afternoon. Some common sense needs to be used somewhere in here. Using this argument I believe 12 noon to be 12am as it is the end of the morning. Some think 12:00pm means noon, some think midnight, some haven't any idea at all. Both come from Latin originally: am = ante meridiem (between midnight and midday)pm = post meridiem (between midday and midnight)So returning to the question about the difference between 8am and 8pm: 8am is in the morning, and8pm is in the evening.OK, but what if someone talks about something happening at midnight on Tuesday? 12am Monday is midnight Monday morning. Noon refers to 12pm (exact midday) and the time just around it. Others will say this doesn’t make sense as noon can be neither am (before noon) or pm (after noon)! More often than not, it’s clear if we are talking about the morning or the afternoon. 12pm is also known as midday or 12 noon. First of all, what do am and pm actually mean? Midnight is exactly 180 degrees apart from noon because the earth is round in the network of geographical coordinates the meridian of Greenwich indicated 12:00 noon Any point on the surface of planet earth at 180 degrees of the meridian of Greenwich or "0" is marking midnight this means that it is neither am nor pm. What is Momentum Dashboard? As one reply says the armed forces use 23:59 and 00:01. Better still, use a twenty-four hour clock. ie 12pm = noon Use the 24-hour system of expressing time. It is synonymous of midday, which is of different concept and points to the middle of the day-light period. What does 12pm refer to? There are no standards established for the meaning of 12am and 12pm. The moment of noon is in the first second, consequently minute and hour of the afternoon therefore noon must be 12pm. In other words, do we say for example 2pm or 14:00 ? I think of am and pm as periods of time between midday and midnight and not inclusive of them. Please read through the Clock System table in the below link: Using 24-hour method can revolve our confused about “the midnight on sunday”. Ron Knight Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA. It is very interesting reading all these comments. The disagreement about midnight stems from the fact that it is a boundary between two days. EITHER, since it is both 12 hours before and after noon. If you are using a twelve hour clock, call it noon and save any problems. An analogue clock does not confuse, because our brain knows what it is telling us. Therefore it stands to reason you would have: 11:58am, 11:59am, 12:00pm, 12:01pm. An analogy would be the question: Is 5, >5 or <5? Midnight, as I say above, is 12 hours after noon of the currentday, but t… It depends how you classify a day, if it runs from 00:00:01 until 24:00:00 then 12am is noon and 12pm is midnight. By technicality, mid-day and midnight exist for only a fraction of a second. If we take this to be true then we can see that military time as it is known uses 2400 because it is the end of that day and a full 24 hours otherwise why don't all of our clocks say 00:00:00. For me 12.00 is neither post-meridian nor ante-meridian, it is either noon or midnight. In informal contexts, you can use 12 noon if you want, but I would avoid it in formal writing. On the 24-hour clock, midnight follows 2359 hrs (hours) and 0001 hrs is the first minute of the new day. E. G. Richards in his book Mapping Time provided a diagram in which 12 a.m. means noon and 12 p.m. means midnight. Momentum is a free Google Chrome, Firefox, and Microsoft Edge add-on that breathes life into your browser's New Tab page. By this assumption any time from 12:00:00:00:00:01 pm, (hour:minute:second:millisecond:microsecond:nanosecond notation) is after mid-day -I can't be bothered going smaller than that- 12pm, by this definition is "mid-day". The moment of noon is in the first second, consequently minute and hour of the afternoon therefore noon must be 12pm. "The question is moot!" The two minutes between were ours to use as we liked. But one minute after midnight (12.01) is unquestionably am. Just make sure you specify the appropriate day. We tend to avoid 12m nowadays from fear that someone may think m stands for midnight, but in avoiding this confusion we have been thrown into worse confusion by trying to determine which of 12am and 12pm to assign to noon and midnight. When the time reaches midnight, it is AM. 12 midnight is 12pm or the end of the evening. The abbreviation am stands for ante-meridiem (before the Sun has crossed the meridian line) and pm stands for post-meridiem (after the Sun has crossed the meridian line). Ante-meridiem refers to the time before midday and post-meridiem refers to the time after midday. To try to represent time in a digital way, we must realize that noon and midnight are only words. Following this, it is obvious that this same moment in time can also be called 12pm Monday (because it is 12 hours after the Monday meridian) or 12am Tuesday (because it is 12 hours before the Tuesday meridian). It would just be odd to have: How to explain ” we will deliver your parcel between 10am and 12pm”……a time frame of 2 hours or 12?. To finish, here are some key words (highlighted in bold) that can be useful when telling the time, some of which we’ve already seen : I eat in the morning / afternoon / evening.They sleep at night.We arrived just before / just after 8 o’clock.What time is it ? Our current 11am would be 1am, closely followed by noon which would be 0am or 0pm (either - think 'noon' as in 'none'*). Working on the 24-hour clock meant that there was no difficulty with midday - 1200 hours - but the Air Force could not countenance 0000 hours for midnight. Absolutely the correct answer from Colin Jones, Aberdeen, Scotland. We can also say “midnight Sunday morning” or “midnight Sunday night” to clarify. All other usage is sloppy. It does of course depend on YOUR particular logic. A couple rules of thumb: First, don't use 12:00pm, say 'noon'. As the day begins at midnight, midnight must be 12am. To avoid this confusion it should be ended. 12am is also midnight - twelve hours before noon. Alex, surely you could argue that the day does not start at 24:00? © 1997-2021 EnglishClub.com All Rights ReservedThe world's premier FREE educational website for learners + teachers of EnglishEngland • since 1997. As one note said, when the clock say 12:00 and you see that it is dark out or, if you have not windows, you remember it was evening the last time to checked, it must be close to midnight not noon. As it is dark then, I've always supposed it is midnight. If you say 12am Monday there is no reason to confuse the P.M. of Sunday...this only adds to your confusion and ignorance. There is no logical reason why this number cannot be replaced with a zero. I have never worn a watch that gives me the exact time. Learn about the difference between am & pm as well as other key words for telling the time. So for you freaks that must use an ambiguous notation surely this is the very thing. Neither should be used. There is no genuine confusion nor ambiguity only a self-made one. Evening is variable in its usage, and is tied both to work schedules and the solar time. Thank you very much for goodgiving us this good explanation for the difference. During the prayer watch 12pm – 3pm, this watch brings us into what’s called the midday, noon, sixth hour of the day or the fullness of Day. At least there will be no confusion then. Midnight on Sunday is confusing. A.M. is morning, so that would be 15 mins after midnight, also known as "twelve-fifteen in the morning". Similarly, noon is the meridian and is therefor neither am nor pm. Afternoon means strictly after 12pm, ending in the evening when it starts getting dark. It runs from midnight to noon. 12:00pm Sunday night is the same time as 00:00am Monday morning. Most people I know would say that this time does not exist or that doomsday is here if we were on that moment. We will also see some other useful words and phrases that can crop up when we need to tell the time, or ask what the time is. Midnight and midday Some will say midnight is 12am, and therefore that midday (or noon) is 12pm. The need to say midnight or noon. 1pm, 2pm, etc would be as now. Why are poeple SO LAZY or ignorant that they need to avoid the use of 'noon or midday' and 'midnight' as CLEAR descriptions of time. Midnight and midday are neither am or pm (as explained in the GMT link he provided). When midnight strikes the digital clock is changing and the display says neither am or pm. It starts at 00:00:01, which would mean that 12:00 would be 12am and then 24:00 would be 12pm. es ist nicht wirklich unlogisch, dass 12pm noon ist. Of course 00:00:00 is a time, it is one second before 00:00:01. Let's look at a nasty example. I agree wholeheartedly with Alec Hendeson of Guildford UK and I think his analogy of <5 or >5 is relevant here. Why? Because of the potential for confusion, it is advisable to use 12 noon and 12 midnight." As the day begins at midnight, midnight must be 12am. So all you night owls, set your meetings for "12 midnight", "00.00" or if you must 12.00.01am. Do we start counting at 12 or 24? It is easy to call others morons. However, an English authority says that it refers to midnight.
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