With the V6 Muzzle Brake, we take immense pride in driving the firearms industry standards forward, focusing on truly reducing both muzzle rise and felt recoil. I ended up selling it. I've heard the Komrad works well enough with high powered loads - don't have any hands on experience. It’s a finely designed and made weapon. The fit and finish is remarkably good for an AK shotgun. To me that seems extremely odd. But I would like a KS 12, simply for the novelty, much as I would LOVE to have Molot’s version of the M4/AR-15 in my safe. It works. 10am - 4pm (MST) Ratings are relative to other similar firearms. A comprehensive high performance rebuild for your Kalashinikov USA KS-12, KS-12 Komrad, Saiga 12, or Vepr 12 Shotgun is currently $1,100. The author is a fan-boy of all s*** made here in the USA. You can make a gun with a weaker recoil spring that will cycle target loads, but if that spring is not strong enough to properly deal with the energy it’s given (high brass shells), it stands to reason that repeated use will damage the gun. lower receivers). Do not confuse the Saiga 12 with a “sporting gun,” even if people occasionally attempt to pass it off as one. Please read the description before purchasing. As long as I was using high-brass ammunition it chugged away happily. Kalashnikov USA, the American counterpart to the Russian arms manufacturer, is hoping that by manufacturing semi-automatic shotguns in the states they can finally crack the code. The result will be much better reliability with all loads, and an excellent trigger. IzhMash only kept those older models around for the US market, due to their importable shape, continued popularity and after-market support. While the SBS will have a normal stock, the “firearm” version comes with a brace. This is my mob dispersing weapon. Short-stroke piston vs full or long-stroke piston. If you already have a stockpile of 20-round drum magazines you don’t need to throw them out and start anew. The telescoping dust cover is still present. We had one failure to extract on the managed-recoil slugs early on out of about 50 rounds. When returning an item, please add package tracking and adequate insurance. Not much you can do to improve the receiver but they did do a better job on the finish. I admittedly know less about you than you know about Russian-bred shotgun designs, but I have read enough of your boorish ramblings to ascertain that you must own a stake in “The Truth About Guns” website. I have had zero issues firing them with any type of ammo even the crappy 100ct $25 birdshot cheap stuff at Walmart works great. I love this gun. No cycling issues here with those results but I have heard you dont want to mix different type of loads on a fast pace as it can produce cycling issues. Made by a company that has been making high end shotguns for years. I find a milspec AK trigger much better to shoot than an AR one especially (ironically) factory Chinese triggers that are highly regarded in the AK community. The KOMRAD™ is classified as a firearm. There’s a nice buttstock with another QD sling mount and the shotgun takes standard Saiga mags. I’m happy to attribute that to the crappy magazine we were using at the time. I also love the spring loaded butt stock. I like your style, Klimov! ), then 99% of us own one because its just fun to shoot. I bought a simple tunable replacement gas plug for my Saiga. Unfortunately, as far as I understand it, US consumers can no longer get Veprs either, so this KUSA and the Chinese knock-offs are all that’s left? Sorry to sound like a commercial. The rail enables a red dot or other optics. “The trigger sucks (as do most AK triggers)”. As imported semi-auto shotguns, they needed to fit the “sporting purposes” requirements. Sure, it stopped running, but the malfunction was OPERATOR ERROR…. Most items that are in stock ship within 3-5 days after receipt of your returned item, but may take longer depending on availability. ELITE Series KS-12 Included Features: New K-USA KOMRAD 12.5" Barrel DA Tactical Tuning (SPEED & RELIABILITY) DA Vepr-12 ALG Trigger 2 lbs DA Recoil Assembly DA Phoenix ONE Compensator DA Briley Internal Choke System DA MOD Choke DA Extended Choke Wrench DA Vepr-12 Magwell Conversion DA Extended Mag Release DA Bolt Hold Open Lever DA Ultra Low Optic Base AK Side … Both of these will float 6 shell casings in the air possibly 7 if your finger is fast enough. The reports I have seen from veteran Saiga 12 guys has been very positive on the K-USA 12g's (komrad included). For being a 12 gauge the Komrad was not hard to handle and surprisingly light on recoil even with the heavy loads. Check out our new Kalashnikov Komrad 12 gauge review and range... We just wanted to share a quick update with you guys to show y... ORDER BY PHONE 800-917-7137 While it’s slightly easier to change in the field, it also makes the barrel longer and heavier than needed. Had the Saiga for a while, it was fun at first, then became more of a novelty. It kakes reloads much easier as you don’t have to jam it to push that first round down to lock in. Using 1919-style mags, it has a good reputation for reliability with 2.75-inch shells, which is about the best compliment you can pay an AR12 platform. Just because high brass ammo hurts the author’s breast implants when he shoots, does not give him the authority to discount the Saiga as reliable. Also, Saiga-12s (or 12Ks) were never MEANT to cycle low power shells. But, that’s a malfunction, you say…NO, it is no more a “malfunction” than if you used regular unleaded to fuel your turbocharged race car, and blew the motor. In the end I needed to replace a good chunk of the operating parts of the gun just to get it to run common target ammunition, and even then I wasn’t completely satisfied. Ergonomic pistol grip and improved ergonomics on the stock and forend as well. The low-brass load simply doesn’t provide enough pressure to the gas piston to kick the spent cartridge out of the action and clear the rear edge of the next round on the magazine. . Impact also services the needs of law enforcement and military with our wide variety of tactical weapons and accessories. “But if this is what your heart desires then this is probably the best version of an AK shotgun that has ever been shipped factory fresh in the US.” Rock Island VR80. Pistol grips were right out and only available with heavy modification. mostly fine. The leader in gas utilization and regulation technology, resulting in a major increase in KS-12/KS-12T/Saiga 12 reliability and longevity, freedom of ammo choice, and convenience. This purchase comes with the Impact Guns Lifetime Warranty. Mon thru Fri: The KS-12 is a fine firearm. The gun at first feels heavy, but once shouldered it is ballanced very well. The action feels smooth compared to the other Saiga examples I’ve owned, and it has some welcome features not on the original. It is shear firepower. This is a very versatile & short Tactical 12 firearm with a host of awesome features!! What isn’t still present: a bolt hold-open mechanism. Touring Kalashnikov USA – And a Look at Their Newest Gun! The Komrad will accept 2.75” and 3” shells and works best with shot shells of … Barrel Length: 18.25-inch smoothbore barrel with flash suppressor, threaded for a choke muzzle device, Operation: Semi-automatic short-stroke recoil, Magazine Capacity: (1) 5-round magazine included (KS-12T includes (1) 10-round magazine). Most orders over $100 value will ship with a signature-required to ensure they make it to you. : Century RAS47), time will show that decent finish is the only thing going for it. ), unlicensed (let’s be clear on this: KUSA has NOTHING to do with the Kalashnikov Concern) knock-off. It may make getting the bolt in and out slightly easier; it’s a set-it-and-forget-it arrangement. The iron sights are usable but an Aimpoint would be pretty clutch on this setup. They’re identical to the Saiga and Molot series of A-style shotguns. There is no fine tuning required with a Saiga 12. I understand that the trigger system is improved with a lighter trigger pull, (lighter than my SAM7 from Arsenal). That gives you less than a hand’s width of sight radius, definitely not ideal for precision shooting. Allows you to use 2, 5, 8, 10 & 12 round stick mags and even 20 round drums (Saiga 12 magazines and Drums will fit) !! High-brass loads in general seemed to work very well. I think the Lynx is a better gun tbh. It is common for a a semi-auto shotgun to not cycle properly with wimpy target loads. An Impact Guns agent will review your request for a return and respond within two business days. Would make for a great hog culling gun. Get the internals tuned up just like Cobras Custom has been proving for years works great on the Saiga 12. They could well give the gun a reputation for unreliability. For $100 less you can get yourself a Mossberg 930SPX, a more compact shotgun that will reliably cycle both high-brass and low-brass shotgun loads straight out of the box, with no configuration changes needed. It’s too bad the author couldn’t have just reviewed the new gun without feeling the need to slam the Saiga at the same time. A variation of their KS-12 shotgun, the Komrad short barreled shotgun and, “firearm” is exactly what you'd expect: A magfed 12-inch barreled beast. Welcome to Saiga Custom. The Komrad™ has a SB Tactical SBA3 pistol brace, adjustable pistol grip, tri-rail forend, vertical forward grip, standard side mounted optics rail and a threaded muzzle nut. The Saiga 12 is designed for just one thing – to blow the living s**t out of anyone unlucky enough to be at the wrong end of its barrel. Maybe, they finally do figure out good US AK? I have always wanted a reliable AK style 12 gauge and this definitely fits the bill. AK type action increases the reliability of this firearm. PLEASE CALL US before placing an order so that we can check stock for you. Shooting slugs I was nailing specific rocks at about 50 yards without an issue. Its one of those guns you pass around to your buddies, everyone has it for a bit until the fun wears off. Kalashnikov USA will launch a new non-NFA firearm called the Komrad on April 2. This is also where the iron sights reside — on top of the gas tube. But the latest and greatest from Kalashnikov USA is the Komrad. I have a Saiga and Kalashnikov k-12 and they both will run Remington game loads from the start. It just so happens to chamber in 12 gauge shells. I love the fact that this gun has the scope mounting capabilities out of the box and I plan to ad a red dot and light very soon. Only have 40-60 rounds through each but no problems with either one. For items only available at the manufacturer, the lead-time may be a few weeks or longer-- depending on availability. Ive shot saigas and VEPRs and the Lynx kicks their asses on reliability. He also reviews whiskey and talks about woodworking at. Previously, this item passed muster under the various ATF interpretations and letters. The malfunction you see above is par for the course. Very biased imo, anyways I’ll say it again don’t be a clown and believe this guy. Sounds about normal to me considering they basically made a direct copy of a converted S-12, with a few added cosmetic upgrades. The lack of reliability with low brass, and the “crappy” feeling AK style trigger are no problem at all for me. You can pump, fire 2 rounds very fast, and another pump 2 more rounds. Seriously unless you fall into a pit of hungry bears, encounter a “Predator”, get attacked by a horde of zombies or ex-wives (just kidding! He probably never handled an S 12k, but even of he did, and even if he got a bit excited by its robust construction, ergonomics, and reliability, he would never admit it…Because you know, the best guns have to be from the good old USA, even if they’re not. I have the newest model of the KS-12T, factory foregrip and 20 Round Promag drum setup. Having never much intending on using low brass anyhow I bought it, and the first couple of range sessions sighting in and just torture testing various loads I ran some lows” it ran some an bobeled others…. False info from a amateur shooter. When you boil it down though, what you’re paying for is a magazine-feeding system. As the bolt carrier is smaller than the size of a spent shotgun shell, Kalashnikov needed a way to cover the rear of the action, and that’s as good a way to do it as any. IS THE KALSHNIKOV USA KOMRAD™ A SHOTGUN? At this, it succeeds quite well. Not feel the punishment of a regular 12 gage. Saiga and Molot shotguns had traditional style stocks. Enter your email address below and we'll notify you when this item becomes available. Molot does a great job. The styling is a bit more modern. The Komrad’s barrel length is only 12.5” long. I bought a vepr12 some months ago. Unfortunately, Mr. Leghorn does not care for Kalashnikov shotguns, as evidenced by his constantly low review scores on them. A lot of people are going to buy the KS-12 expecting it to work out of the box without reading the “high-brass only” instructions. The Kalashnikov design is built in the USA, so the pistol grip is built in from the factory. Is it offered with a rifled barrel for slugs? It’s easily digested everything from slugs to buck to bird and I’ve never had an issue with ejection. I just don’t see how it works significantly better than anything else. I reviewed the Saiga-12 shotgun way back in 2011. We are a custom shop specializing in All AK Rifles and Shotguns as well as Custom Turkish shotguns and a variety of ARs and more. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Can’t wait for it to come in. Please also note that some items are unique, hard to obtain, or one-of-a-kind, so Impact reserves the right to cancel your order should an item not be available to ship. Otherwise, the customer is responsible for any return shipping costs. But it may be worth buying purely for the apoplexy it will cause the brain-dead anti-gunners in congress . People make too big a deal out of this. KS-12 Setting #1 is for high brass. There was a button underneath the receiver on the earlier Saiga shotguns. Gun Review: Kalashnikov USA KS-12 Shotgun, Quote of the Day: Most Media Darlings Forgot This Fact About ‘Childhood’ Shootings, Colion Noir: Philando Castile Should Be Alive Today, http://thetruthaboutguns.com/author/foghorn/, DEATH AND TAXES: Help Your Family Value Your Guns and Safely Sell Unwanted Firearms and Accessories, 82-Year-Old Marine Beats a Home Intruder To Death With a Shotgun, Diamondback DBX57 Video Review: 5.7x28mm Piston-Driven Pistol. “It was the best of times. A bullpup layout can almost cu… Foma Klimov July 17, 2017 At 13:16. That was a fully automatic option that was a revelation due to the sheer lack of recoil. Finish and ergonomics are US quality. This dude is clueless and hates anything that resembles a saiga. The KS12MAG10 is a durable, lightweight, high reliability 10-round polymer magazine designed for the Kalashnikov USA shotguns in 12GA (KS-12, KS-12T, and Saiga 12GA shotguns) and 12GA Komrad firearm. Thanks for the honest review. Pictures may not exactly represent this item. The dust-cover extension is attached to the recoil spring. They’re rugged as a brick but that’s about it. Hold that button down, cycle the action to the rear, and the action remains locked open. The handguard to the rear is similar to the Saiga series, but likewise improved. I watched the author’s original slam review of the Saiga with his accompanying videos of his 3-gun runs, and I have to say it’s entertaining watching overweight guys try to run around like they are John Wick. We will not charge your credit card until your product ships, except for certain special orders. That’s not what they are designed for. Is the fine tuning required of the Saiga and apparently this something typically considered DIY? The Saiga-12 and Molot versions have been on the market for about a decade now, and thankfully everything seems to be compatible here as well. There’s a pretty short sight radius, but even so it’s accurate enough for shotgun work. I wonder why they dont use a bolt carrier like the vz 58 and open the top of the action . Law enforcement and specialist military units around the world are looking long and hard at this snubnose , … They say the K-USA guns are exact clones of the Russian guns but with better machining actually. Shotguns are close quarter’s weapons, and in close quarters the shorter the weapon the better. It does have a two stage adjustable gas setting, I have run only high brass and slugs so far. Bought the first Kalashnikov Komrad 12 I could get my hands on from Impact Guns. This Russian Tiger KOMRAD 12 is available direct to the public for a limited time. Store inventory must be physically picked up at the store. Intended to be used by relatively untrained conscripts and maintained less frequently than Robert’s guns (if that’s even possible) it keeps working under even the worst conditions. Low-brass loads like the usual trap-and-skeet target loads (common in 3-gun competitions as well as practice ranges) rarely worked. These guns are too scary for Massachusetts. His assertion the KS 12 is superior to even the S 12 design from over a two decades ago, is LAUGHABLE. We do not ship from the store locations. The ATF did not require a tax stamp for this firearm. . KUSA fixed this issue by removing the button and relying on the same safety-lever cutout as their other designs. I’m hopeful that an aftermarket modification — such as the work done by Lone Star Arms, who lent us this gun — can make the KS-12 run on low brass. Until then, please don’t complain when you try to run a Saiga 12 or KS 12 on ammo it wasn’t designed to feed. I had a Saiga 12. Since cleaning it and a lube it has since settled in and runs everything including the low brass just fine even in mixed magazines. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. I agree with this guy, the Saiga is when you need serious fire power and I wouldn’t be running bird shot. It’s designed to run on magnum loads. Foghorn is a gun nerd living and working in San Antonio, Texas. The Komrad™ comes with an SB Tactical pistol brace, adjustable pistol grip, tri-rail forend, vertical forward grip, standard side-mounted optics rail and threaded muzzle nut. It may take longer for the credit to appear in your account depending on your bank. If you received a damaged, defective, or incorrect item, Impact Guns will ship you a replacement of the exact item upon receipt of the damaged or defective item. The new gun is similar to the company’s larger KS-12 shotguns but with a shorter 12.5″ barrel and an adjustable length SB Tactical SBA3 pistol brace.It will transfer just as any other firearm without requiring a special tax stamp as would be needed with a short barrel shotgun. Impact Guns is the gun shop for all your shooting needs. The pistol grip is another welcome change. The gun had some issues — it refused to cycle regular target loads, the fit and finish was relatively poor, and the fact that it was made overseas brought in all sorts of 922(r) compliance questions that I really just did not want to deal with. The accepted layout for police and military shotguns was a tube holding 4 to 9 rounds in a standard design. Closed Sundays, Accepting Payment By Credit Card, Check, and Money Order, Protecting Your Privacy and Security Is Our Top Priority. This sounds like a fun gun to own and a useful one to have, as long as it works, like any gun. I read the author’s review of the Saiga, and I’m sorry he had so much trouble with it. There’s something undeniably rugged about the AK-47 design. Products that have free shipping only applies to the lower 48 states. Please be sure to include your original order number and relevant contact information. The outside the gun is just like the Saiga-12 series of shotguns, only better. Kalashnikov USA presents this US Made 12 Gauge Shotgun modeled after the Russian Saiga12. Yes its a serious defensive deterrent, and you must have a tolerance for a sore shoulder with it pulled up, but overall it is a very well built machine that has operated flawlessly. Most of my customers report great results with them as well. My Saiga cost me $800 plus the cost of the replacement gas plug. The VZ only “taps” the bolt carrier and inertia carries it rearward. In fact that is all I have ran so far, just because they said it couldn’t be done. 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It is designed to accept 2.75” and 3” shells and includes two 5 round magazines. The 10 rounds mags are a must have addition to this firearm. It … Anyone seen this book said its below the front site just havent looked yet. As an alternate method, you can send an email to sales@impactguns.com. If you don’t mind a bullpup then get a DP-12. I have a performance puck in it, … . Product Specifications for Kalashnikov 5 RD 12 GA 12.5" Pistol Shotgun. The top is always blocked by the piston rod on an AK (attached to the carrier). I just bought the tactical version of this shotgun. Then again, this is a shotgun. My Mossberg 930 Tactical has the same issue, while the Mossberg 930 JM Pro version will run target loads all day (it’s made for competition). I would not trade my Vepr 12 for TWO KS 12s. Definitely an improvement over the Saiga and Molot designs. You may be able to get this item at your store. I do agree that loading a new mag into the gun is a b**tch. Firing a 1oz Fiocci rifled slug I am getting 2″ moa at 50yds using the factory iron sites from a sitting position. Additional customization is priced on a parts plus installation labor basis. This kit will help you run all 2 3/4" ammo from Slugs/Buck Shot to the low brass Walmart "100rd Value Pack" Remington and Federal birdshot. The fit and finish on the gun is far superior to the previous version; rather than feeling like a 12-year-old painted the gun with a combination of black mud and sandpaper, the finish on the U.S.-made autoloading Kalashnikov KS-12 is smooth and even. It was the worst of times.” The KS-12 includes two settings for the gas regulator. I say, I say, mister Leghoooorn, you sure have a predisposition against all things Kalashnikov-12-gauge. Jump to Latest Follow ... AR-10 and Sub-Gun platforms with it’s strict tolerances, accuracy and indestructible reliability now comes in an AK platform." Otherwise, there isn’t a Norinco-wielding man’s chance you’d still be writing for TGAG after all these years of piling horse crap beneath your printer. It accepts 2.75” and 3” shells from low brass to slugs thanks to the adjustable gas system. A standard Russian-style optics rail sits on the other side of the receiver. Shooters will also find most original SAIGA magazines work in the Komrad as well. The high brass 12 gauge is the only stuff you “should” run in a Saiga, if you need dependable firepower. The two position gas adjustment appealed to me because I knew it would allow me to run high or low brass and heavy or light loads without having cycling problems. Beats the hell out of the KSG IMHO. Essentially, the gas system absorbed 80% of the recoil, a recoil spring accounted for 10% more and the general consensus is that the AA-12 offers about 10% of the recoil of a standard 12 Gauge round. In theory, this means that aftermarket parts made for those firearms will fit here as well. The managed-recoil slugs worked . Manufacturer: Kalashnikov USA. My Saiga-12 http://bit.ly/2VQnFFRI love my Saiga -12 but no amount love is going to overshadow the fact that my Saiga -12 is a piece of sh!t. If you need faster shipment, we can ship 2nd Day or Next Day for an extra charge. Whether for recreational target shooting or 3-gun competitions, high-brass ammo is more expensive, more recoil to mitigate, and more annoying to try and find. NOT classified as an NFA device. I call bullshit on that. I just remember you were very bias about the saigas. Did I get a magic S 12? Not to mention grapefruit sized holes in everything in the path of fire. The biggest issue, and possibly the deal breaker: The inability to fire common target loads without swapping any parts. Tuned it for target loads, and haven’t touched it since. For details, see our Lifetime Warranty Policy. They can be modified/tuned to work with them, but that’s on you. That statement is obviously exclusive of aftermarket upgrade options. Reciever is one solid block of aluminum that is carved out. His review on the saiga 12 and KS-12 are garbage. The vast majority of the time shooters are going to want to feed the dirt cheap target loads through the gun, not full-power high-brass slugs. For items in our warehouse, we usually ship within 3 business days. The Kalashnikov Komrad pistol is an AK shotgun pistol with a 12.5 inch barrel, and it’s pretty much the best tactical shotgun for sale right now if you look at it coldly and logically. Bullpup shotguns have slowly become more prevalent, and the shotgun lends itself well to a bullpup layout. Allowing more room for spent shells to eject. Final score does not reflect the “average” of the categories but instead the overall feelings of the reviewer. It’s an amalgamation of efficiency and automatic setting free regulation of the Saiga 12 Gas system. If you want it to run with a full range of ammo, send it to us. The Auto plug takes the place of the factory Gas Adjustment Plug. I have no affiliation with this company, I just love this gun, due to its quality, and performance. Great gun. In current form there is no setting for low brass. The Komrad 12 There are leaders, and then there's everyone else. Reply. https://youtu.be/AVSe2qY5mdI. The reliability of the KS-12 is the very epitome of a Tale of Two Cities. Gun Review: Kalashnikov USA KS-12 and Kalashnikov USA KS-12T Shotguns, Gun Review: Remington VersaMax Competition Tactical Shotgun, Gun Review: Armscor Rock Island Armory VR80 Shotgun. the product pages mention 922 compliance? I have 2 Saiga’s and they shoot everything just fine. that was on the first couple outings. Nick Leghorn is very biased when it comes to the saiga or anything that resembles it. Total length of the firearms comes to 31.5”. What it does do, however, is feed from detachable box magazines. Almost no recoil. I am almost certain that, just like with US made AKs (i.e. I run Federal 12 ga “slugger” ammo, and Winchester 00 buck, called SuperX. Things have changed a bit in the receiver. The Komrad is a 12 GA semi-automatic compact barreled firearm with the Kalashnikov operating system similar to the Russian Saiga 12. We started with two versions of slugs: Federal high brass and managed recoil 1-ounce slugs. HOURS OF OPERATION Not DIY because it’s easy, but because it’s necessary. So all those accessories will work from day one. But it MAY HAVE an occasional stovepipe. Due to safety, legal, and regulatory reasons, our return policy does not apply to the following items: Also, if a firearm is not picked up from the destination dealer, the customer is responsible for the return shipping charges and a 6% restocking fee. Kalashnikov USA is offering a special edition of the Komrad 12GA shotgun. The Saiga-12 like you reviewed before was a rough early attempt at an AK shotgun and they went out of style in my country (Russia) a long time ago… have been replaced with the far superior Saiga-12K models, which are equipped with a mag well and other improved features. Kalashnikov USA KOMRAD. Saiga 12's out of the box will normally shoot Buck Shot, Slugs and High Brass Bird Shot, but sometimes not all of them or Low Brass ammo. Yes i know the lynx is chinese but the 4 position adjustable gas system is key. I solved this issue in my Saiga-12 by changing the gas system. It was a nifty design but often malfunctioned, sticking open and causing the gun to jam at inopportune moments. After several hours on K-USA’s indoor range with the new Komrad, we left without any concerns with regard to its reliability. NOTE: We make every effort to get your order shipped as fast as possible. For items only available at distribution or other sources, the ship time may be up to 10 business days. If you want it to run on cheap target loads the solution is simple. Had a Siaga , and sold it after the first trip to the range. If you break the gun in with slugs and SuperX, it can fire some Federal bird shot on the low-power setting. I have an older Saiga and it runs like a champ. I still love my Benelli Nova Army done completely in NP3. The Komrad™ is a US manufactured 12 GA semi-automatic tactical short barreled firearm based on the Russian Saiga series. shotgun that you can fire incendiary rounds that cook deer when you hit them. This can be done very fast and accurately. Alaska and Hawaii residents - your order MUST ship 2nd day or faster. Komrad 12. Furthermore, it’s no surprise the Saiga 12 or the ks12 wouldn’t cycle your target loads. In large part, successful combat shotguns have been the same since the Winchester 1897.
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