When I shot trap years ago, nearly everyone on the line shot reloads containing 18 grains of the powder with 1⅛ ounces of shot. 20 Caliber.204” … from  both Lee and Hornady volumetric measures. 7.0 gr. The .44 Special, with a 250 grain hard-cast bullet at 950fps, is generally quite accurate in all decent revolvers. This was what I could find in the older books, the newer ones have nothing for Red Dot. Clays and 700x also ran well, but didn't burn as cleanly as the Red Dot at the lower end. Change to a 200gr bullet and you'll get in the 700 to 800 fps ranges. Had 5 or so out of 100 than were almost squibs. Loads are listed for small cartridges such as the .22 Hornet and .218 Bee up through the .243 Winchester and 6mm Remington, .270 Winchester and .30-06. Some of the bullets were loaded with 14 grains of Red Dot, and some contained the same charge of Red Dot and Puff-Lon case filler. But is RD able to be metered accuratly enough for most Cowboy work? NES Member. 44 S&W Special. We own Sierra reloading manual 44 special red dot DjVu, doc, txt, PDF, ePub formats. Red Dot Loads. This lets it feed in many cowboy-action guns and use common 45 ACP load data. Joined: Sep 17, 2007 Messages: 59,076 Location: Eastern KS. I’ve matched it against whitetail deer, mule deer, and feral hogs, with great results. 45 Auto. 45 Colt. Cowboy ,IPSC, USPSA, gardening, model railroading, kids/family, our pets, Collecting, Guns,Cushman Scooters, and Bobble heads (Nodders). Bullets cost but a few cents each and 7.0 grains of the powder provide 1,000 rounds from a pound of powder. Start out with about 4.0 grains RD and see how that works. The powder also burned cleanly. Red Dot is coarse so may present a similar problem of bridging in the measure. The filler was added onto the powder, filling to the top of the cases, and bullets were seated to compress the filler and keep the powder tight against the primer flash hole. I have lots of red dot, clay dot, and promo from shotgun loading and have found loads around 5.5-6 g but the velocity is still pretty high. All functioned and met power factor but I got too much blowback in the Marlin. Its kernels are round and flat and contain some flakes dyed red to identify the powder. After a while, however, even the most recoil-tough shooter looks forward to toning things down a bit. 38 Special. 4895, Dec 23, 2011 #1. rcmodel Member in memoriam. I cast my own bullets with a Lee 200gr RNFP . If you have Red Dot, try 5.0-5.5 grains of it with your 240 grain boolits. Tinkering. If no powder granules are noticed, pretty easy to spot, then perhaps that is not a factor. SASS Regulator. Red Dot provides about as much velocity to 100-grain bullets as any other powder loaded in the .32 H&R Magnum. You would not use this powder to do anything high pressure or high velocity. For a bulky flake powder, it drops consistent charge weights from a … January 04, 2011 By Lane Pearce. With Red Dot’s relatively light charge weights, all that shooting is penny-wise. The only powder for a 200 grain I found was Vitori 340. N. NavelOfficer. North San Diego County, People's Republik of Kalifornia. Great accuracy with 8 grains and aforementioned bullet with less than 16K pressure. The Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook lists Red Dot loads for for nearly every rifle and handgun cartridge included in the manual. I have been using trail boss at 4.9g, but it has resulted in inconsistent rounds. Only 2 grains of powder, though, gives Speer 98-grain swaged lead wadcutter bullets a velocity of 742 fps. These days I use the 175-gr. 200 grain lead flat nose, 10 grains Blue Dot. cast SWC; Hornady 200-gr. This is a totally underrated powder for 9MM. Velocity was 1,285 fps from the 24-inch barrel of a Winchester Model 94 Legacy and extreme velocity spread was a low 18 fps. Click on a term to search for … Looks like 4g should be a decent starting point. There’s more than one way to come up with loads with less recoil. The 45 Colt rim is smaller than the rim on a 45 Auto Rim. Wanting to change powders as I have kegs of shotgun powders. My point is that changing powders is not necessarily a solution to the problem. It's becoming my goto 44 Spl load and has taken over the Skeeter load. Loads for .44 Magnum: (Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start.) With the Marlin, I'm stuck with the considerably more stout 4.0g load with the 200g bullet. Loads are even included for large cartridges such as the 7mm Remington Magnum, .300 and .338 Winchester Magnums and the .375 H&H Magnum. Using 180g bullets. XTP; Hornady 240-gr. I use Red Dot, Clay Dot, and Clays interchangeably...using Clays load data, recommended minimum in pistol, a little more in rifle. My 44 Spcl pistol load is 180gr bullet with 4.5gr Trailboss (minimum in the chart) and it has been just fine for me. 17 Rem Fireball. My question for you that … Trailboss in a sufficient intended charge, a Hodgdon published load,  has been consistent for me. Still hand Bill, The top of the Russian data would most likely make fine loads in .44 Special case for Cowboy shooting. Rating - 100%. Suggestions on a good powder for the 200 grain Hornady JHP. Extreme velocity spreads did not vary with the powder tight against the flash hole or loose in the case. At first the dismal accuracy was thought to be due to the powder settling every which way in the magnum cases, resulting in wide swings in velocity. Redding dies were used to assemble all test loads. Having always been a fan of moderate loads using lead bullets suitable for casual paper punching, the .44 Special naturally comes to mind for use in .44 Magnum revolvers. I'm using a Lee Factory Crimp Die for a good crimp. Thumbing through several shotshell reloading manuals, I found only a single one-ounce load for the 16 gauge. While this powder is supposed to be ideal for 9mm, .45 ACP and .38 Special, I was in the process of developing a .44 Special load using Oregon Trail’s Lasercast 240-grainers for my Ruger GP100, with the Smith & Wesson 629 in there so I could compare speed from a three-inch barrel versus a five-inch. Anyone use Bluedot with 200 grain Speer Gold Dot .44 special bullets? But for that matter the 44 special or Mag shoots everything well. They worked fine in a 44 sp, but the longer chambers didn’t get the pressure up for good ignition in the 445. 38 Special +P. Using 180g bullets. By Lane Pearce. 7 0 0. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. ammo with 250 gr "Keith" cast bullets, but cannot find a load with Red-Dot powder! Improved Red Dot dropped six charges that weighed 5.5 grains, two at 5.4 grains and two at 5.7 grains. Min Charge Max Charge Optimal Charge Bullet Make Bullet Type 5.0 grains of Red Dot make an easy-recoiling load for the .44 Special. The .44 Special is an ideal cartridge for cast-bullet loads, with literally dozens and dozens of designs and weights readily available. I have been loading 44 Special or Mag for many many  years . Red Dot: Select A Caliber or Gauge Below To View Recipes. It's superbly accurate and extremely versatile when … JHC - 2.0 grains - 2.9 grains (713fps - 970 fps / 9.100 CUP - 15.500 CUP) 95gr. Found one load for clays for a 185g, so I will try that. My experience measuring Red Dot - it has fed through Dillon and Lyman powder measures just fine for pistol cartridge size powder drops. I can … For a bulky flake powder, it drops consistent charge weights from a powder measure. EDUCATION 101. SWC, 240 gr. God Guns Guts - Family - Ridding My Harleys - NRA Certified Range Officer - NRA Life Member - GOA Life Member - Warthog Life Member - An Armed Society is A Polite Society - Lube Your Balls & Cap Your Nipples. In this age of ever-increasing propellant specialization, it’s nice to have a powder that works in a broad range of rifle and handgun cartridges and shotshells. Unique is about all you need for light  cowboy loads up to mild magnum loads, i think you can use the same load with red dot and stay within limits with a 200g bullet , i use red dot and clays interchangeably as well in my 45colt at about that load. FMJ - 2.0 grains - 2.7 grains (712 fps - 938 / 9.600 CUP - 15.600 CUP) Modern Reloading - R. Lee (2000).380 … A few of their advantages include lower cost – especially if you cast your own – substantially reduced barrel wear, greater velocities with less chance of sticking bullets in the bore, straight and deep penetration on game with the added shock associated with a large meplat and good … That 14-grain load of Red Dot is close to what former NRA writer Ed Harris. The Lispy's .44 special is scary accurate with 7.0 of Unique but if I can get equal accuracy with a bit less red dot it would simplify things. Please educate me if I should use a different powder. 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I wonder if using a dipper and assuming ultimate consistency is a mistake. Oh, I don't have the revolver yet. The gun shot factory PMC 180gr JHP's extremely well. It was the first powder I loaded with cast bullets in the 7mm Remington Magnum – I could have thrown the bullets better than the rifle shot them. I don't show a listing in the Speer manual with Bluedot, however, I have load data from Hornady that uses Bluedot with 200 Grain XTP. Alliant Red Dot. XTP; Nosler 240-gr. One Uberti 66 44 special 2, Two Uberti Cattleman 5" 44 specials 3. NSCA super veteran. So for a nickel per shot, the load is about as inexpensive as can be. What Joe said. When I carried a 44 special while hunting, it was a S&W 696 loaded with 200 gr Gold Dots over PowerPistol when in town, and 240 gr hardcast over Universal while in the woods. I cast the bullet from an RCBS 30-150-CM mould. For the mild.44 special loads, I recommend all lead bullets and loads that produce 700-850 FPS speeds. I’ve taken my share of Rio Grande turkey, javalina, and coyotes, with it, too. Using 180g bullets. Copyright 2019 sassnet.com Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook lists Red Dot in their .44 Russian loads, and just happen to have a 180 grain bullet with loading data. I am sure I am getting variations in powder drops and not building enough pressure. Red Dot is a double-based powder of about 20 percent nitroglycerine content. Very cold weather carry. A database of .44 S&W Special handloads. The.44 Special is an excellent field cartridge, and when combined with handloads is capable of taking varmints and big game. 1. RIFLE BALLISTICS. Xtreme Brass (New) 12.72 case capacity. Due to different barrel lengths, type of bullet, seating depth, primer type and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted. Reply. Starline now sells this brass to anyone (when I started this … cast FP; 200-gr. There are plenty of bullet weights and styles available for reloading the .44 Special: (from left) 180-gr. A light amount of Red Dot and 200-grain bullets make mild-recoiling loads for a .44 Magnum revolver. They went down range, but not quickly. I am loading 44 special and will be running them through a Ruger Redhawk Hunter. I tested powder charges of 3.0, and 3.5 and 180g bullets as well. Accuracy was much better with the round bullets, resulting in groups of about 1.5 inches. I aligned the RCBS 7mm-145-SILH mould and cast another batch of bullets. red dot in 44 special. Rifle Cartridges. shooting, hiking, hunting, fishing, building, gun smithing, wood working. I use 5.5gr of Win-231 for my .45's like Michael. HP,.44 with 225 gr. Only loads I have ever had anything similar was light blue dot loads in 44 sp shot in a 445 super mag. JHC. Somewhat cold, 40-50deg. Crimped with Lee fcd. I am inferring that you need to look at your powder measuring. Looking for a lower limit load data for red dot in 44 special. Now that I got my bottle of Red Dot, I'll switch to that for my 200 gr light loads. Red Dot 929 fps 1 7/8 ” 8.0 gr. The powder is too fast-burning for smaller gauges. By An additional grain produces about the same velocity in .44 Magnum cases. 17 Caliber.172” Diameter . Have shot them with the temperature in the 30s with no problems and with good “cowboy” accuracy. The Ohaus was then adjusted and 10 throws ranged from 4.5 grains to 4.8 grains. Old Red Dot dropped five charges that weighed 5.7 grains, two at 5.8 grains, two at 5.6 grains and one that weighed 5.5 grains. And I shoot in all my 44 specials or Mags . Whether plain or fancy these 4" .44 Magnums handle well with John’s special loads. I use Win-296 24gr for my .44 magnum it's right on the border of being uncomfortable to shoot and around 1400 fps. First it was used for shotshells but its use quickly expanded to handgun and rifle cartridges, and now I use more of the powder than ever. It has been on handloaders’ benches since 1932 and is a uniform, efficient and economical powder. Table I.44 S&W Special "Category One" (15,500 psi or less) bullet powder charge velocity extremespread (grains) (grains) (Ips) 200 RCBS44-200-FN cast Red Dot 5.5 922 16 low recoil-cowboy action I Universal Clays 8.0 1,055 29 240 Hornady lead SWC-HP Bullseye 5.0 802 18 I Red Dot 5.0 816 16 W-231 5.5 804 21 44 Special Load Data; 44 Remington Magnum Handgun Load Data; 45 Auto (ACP) Load Data; 45 Colt (Single Action Army & Replicas) Load Data; 45 Colt (Ruger & T/C Contender & Encore) Load Data; Cartridge Data; Components by Caliber; Nosler Home; Load Data 44 Special Load Data. +1 on that: LSWC 240 Power Pistol 7.5 GR 899 LO 921 HI 908 AVG 22 ES 6.60 SD . Harris suggested a load of 13 grains of Red Dot in cases larger than the .300 Savage with bores .30-caliber and larger and using jacketed or cast bullets of normal weight for a given cartridge. Have looked in all my 5 manuals & checked Mr google & nothing. In fact, Vista Outdoor’s Reloading + Reloading Accessories catalog (RCBS, Alliant Powder, Speer Bullets and CCI) includes Red Dot jacketed bullet loads for only the .44 S&W Special, .45 Auto and .45 Colt. Post subject:.44 Special / Red Dot Powder. Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. If I can standardize on red dot loads for a … pair was done by Hamilton Bowen. wadcutter from Matt’s Bullets loaded over 4.0 grains of Red Dot, 4.0 grains of Bullseye, or 5.0 grains of Unique. Burning all that Red Dot over the years has taught me there is no reason to use heavier charges of other powders for practice and small-game hunting with a handgun or rifle. I started using Red Dot not long after I started handloading. Keith's original load in.44 Special balloon head brass went right at 1200 feet per second from a seven and one-half inch barreled sixgun. Last Edit: Dec 17, 2016 13:44:16 GMT -5 by taroman: format. Red Dot and Clay Dot would be my choices for a cold weather powder and easy recoil in .44 Spl. Trailboss is very subject to static electricity, so you could lose some off the dipper on the way to charging the case. Hunting loads are a totally different deal. Our impression is simple. Looking for a lower limit load data for red dot in 44 special. 44 Rem. It is easy to load and shoot while being easy on the budget. Red Dot Target. Red Dot occupies more space in .308 Winchester and .30-06 cases than less bulky charges of commonly used “reduced load” rifle powders such as IMR-4198. My Ohaus measure dispensed the following charges: Ten throws weighed from 11.1 to 11.5 grains. Red Dot 1020 fps ... 3-9) Heavy .44 Special loads using the NEI 260 Keith bullet show why .44 Special . JHP I use 4.5 grains of Red Dot with a 200 grain bullet in 44-40, if that helps. HANDGUN BALLISTICS. Granted, with modern revolvers the .44 Special … In the case of my .44 Spcl pistol load mentioned above, I am hand dipping the Trailboss powder. If you are looking for softer loads use .44 special. Favorite Loads Hot off the Press .44 S&W Special. Cartridges containing filler grouped bullets slightly tighter. Will give that a try for the next match. RO1, RO2. If I were loading for pistols, I'd do some more load development in the 3.0g/180g or even 160g  bullet range. IMR Red provided five charges that weighed 5.5 grains, three weighing 5.3 grains and two that weighed 5.4 grains. Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook lists Red Dot in their .44 Russian loads, and just happen to have a 180 grain bullet with loading data. The standard practice load for my Ruger Blackhawk .41 Magnum is 7 grains of Red Dot with 210-grain cast bullets. cast RNFP; 240-gr. Harris stated velocities from the .308 and .30-06 at about 1,450 fps with 200-grain cast bullets, 1,500 fps with 170-grain cast bullets and 1,600 fps with 150-grain cast bullets. I believe so. It's best to shoot all lead bullets outside to avoid lead fumes. Red Dot was originally intended as a shotshell powder for ⅞- to 1⅛-ounce target and field loads in the 12 gauge. I’d already tested IMR Red and IMR Target, so when the Winchester showed up, I added … Anyone care to recommend a load of Red Dot for 1000 fps 200 grain lead RNFP. That’s okay, because most handgun cartridges provide the most versatility when shooting swaged lead and cast lead-alloy bullets. The same goes for a lightweight Smith & Wesson 329PD .44 Remington Magnum. The .44 Special was introduced in about 1907 and is an extremely accurate cartridge. Alliant Red Dot is one such powder. (See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.) Extreme spreads were 43 fps without filler and 42 fps with filler. Red Dot is my target load plinking powder in my old 3 screw SB in 44 Mag. Kids and grandkids, old guns and cowboy shooting, bison hunting, woodworking and guncart building. Jacketed bullet velocities were about 150 fps slower. In the 44 Special, Red Dot is something of a sleeper, but it has done excellent service in my own Flat top. conversions on Three-Screw Ruger .357 Blackhawks are so popular; this . Yes. 5.2 grains gave best accuracy in my gun. Good enough for the light loads we use in this game. Surprisingly the Blue Dot grouped best. Harris also had good luck with that charge of Red Dot in the .30-40 Krag, .303 British, 7.65 Argentine, .308 Winchester, 7.62x54R Russian, .30-06 and 8x57. JSP; Nosler 240-gr. I use a Lyman 55 and can throw a +/- 0.1 grain charge of Red Dot. November 4, 2019 in SASS Wire. One solution is a lighter bullet such as the 200-gr. Red Dot .44 Special Loads. Hunter: Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2003 7:01 am Posts: 4567 Location: northern ontario, CANADA Hi Folks I am trying to handload some .44 spl. Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:32 am . 1.1 OAL. Joined Jan 10, 2010 Messages 2,492 Likes 1,441 Location SE CT. Feb 2, 2015 #11/37 I'd consider loading .44 Specials, … 45 Cowboy Special (or sometimes just 45 Special) is a 45 ACP case, with a 45 Colt rim. I have all the manuals but they are the lighter loads. Very compact gun, vs a 44 Magnum, and … 44 Special Load Data. I load 4.4gr Trailboss with a 200gr bullet, has worked great. Still, for safety’s sake it’s prudent to check cases for a double charge of powder before seating bullets. The Model 94’s rear sight does not have enough elevation correction to mesh with the bullets’ trajectory, but a Nikon scope on the rifle had plenty of adjustment.